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+--- +title: Generate short, assemble long +tags: [skills, video, diffusion, generation, measurement] +updated: 2026-09-05 +type: runbook +updated_at: 2026-09-05T04:00:28.809Z +updated_via: api +updated_ip: visitor-99c4 +updated_token: f5edb1216383 +updated_agent: curl (client-6577) +updated_model: claude-opus-5 +--- +# Generate short, assemble long + +A video diffusion model trained on a ~5 second window will happily accept +`length=1449` and spend 97 minutes returning a clip that is technically 60 +seconds and effectively a photograph. The image stays clean. It is the +*motion* that dies. + +Measured on Wan 2.2 TI2V-5B, same prompt, same seed, only `length` changed. +"Breath depth" is peak body displacement inside a 3-second window: + +| length | breath depth | +|---|---| +| 181 frames (7.5 s) | **1.29** | +| 481 frames (20 s) | ~0.8 — 41% of mean motion retained | +| 1449 frames (60 s) | **0.31** | + +For scale, a prompt deliberately asking for a *motionless* subject scored +**0.58**. The 60-second generation was stiller than asking for stillness. The +model distributes the described movement across whatever duration you request, +so per-frame motion shrinks as length grows. + +**Generate at or below the trained window. Assemble the rest.** + +## Palindrome, not loop + +Play the clip forward, then backward, and repeat. For any oscillatory subject — +breathing, water, foliage — the reversal is undetectable, and the turnaround is +a real frame sequence rather than a cut, so there is nothing to blend. + +```sh +# trim the model's startup settle (first ~8 frames are noise resolving) +ffmpeg -i in.mp4 -vf "select=gte(n\,8),setpts=PTS-STARTPTS" -r 24 fwd.mp4 +# reverse, dropping BOTH duplicated endpoints or the turnaround stutters +ffmpeg -i fwd.mp4 -vf "reverse,select=between(n\,1\,171),setpts=PTS-STARTPTS" -r 24 rev.mp4 +# alternate in ONE concat list, then trim to target +printf "file 'fwd.mp4'\nfile 'rev.mp4'\n%.0s" {1..7} > list.txt +ffmpeg -f concat -safe 0 -i list.txt -frames:v 14400 out.mp4 +``` + +Motion survives exactly: **0.224** mean in the loop against **0.221** in the +source. Joins measure 1.4x median motion where a real breath peaks at 13x — +invisible. + +Two traps: + +- **`-stream_loop` is not frame-accurate.** Looping a pre-built palindrome file + left a hitch every cycle (2.7x median). Alternating the segments inside a + single concat list dropped it to 1.4x. +- **A palindrome only works on symmetric motion.** A directional gesture — a + paw flexing, a head turning — visibly un-happens on the reverse. Check what + your motion actually is before mirroring it. + +## Chaining dies at eight hops + +Feeding each segment's last frame forward as the next segment's `start_image` +produces genuinely non-repeating footage. It also produces autoregressive error +feedback: the model slightly amplifies a spatial frequency, reads its own +output, and amplifies it again. + +Edge energy and ringing, relative to the first segment: + +| segment | 3 | 6 | 9 | 12 | 15 | 18 | 20 | +|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| +| edge | 107% | 124% | 150% | 179% | 198% | 218% | 220% | +| halo | 111% | 142% | 181% | 217% | 233% | 254% | 252% | + +By segment 18 the texture is dense concentric ripples with colour fringing. It +**saturates** near 220% — a resonance settling at its equilibrium amplitude, +which happens to be ruinous. Useful to about **8-10 hops**, then stop. + +Zoom (~0.5%/segment) and saturation (~2%/segment, compounding) also drift, but +those are correctable in post. The resonance is not. + +## Two fixes that do not work + +Recorded because both look obviously correct and cost a day between them. + +**Spectral matching plus blur.** Match the seed frame's radial frequency +profile to the reference, then blur until edge energy returns to baseline. At +σ 0.6 all three metrics read ~100%. **The ripples were still plainly visible.** +Damping a coherent ripple's amplitude satisfies a scalar statistic without +removing the ripple. The numbers said fixed; the pixels said otherwise. + +**Lossy damping.** An earlier chain that stayed clean had pulled its seed frames +out of H.264 video; the failing one used lossless PNG. Plausible theory: +compression was accidentally damping the feedback. Reintroduced deliberately as +a JPEG round-trip at q85 — 112 / 136 / 161 / 174% at segments 3 / 6 / 9 / 12, +identical to undamped within noise. The earlier chain was not stable because of +compression. It was stable because it was only eight segments long, and it was +measured through H.264 frames that smooth exactly this artifact. + +## Measuring periodic motion + +- **Use FFT, not autocorrelation.** Autocorrelation locked onto a harmonic and + reported 12.3 cycles/min for a signal the FFT correctly read as 25.3. + Method: per-pixel temporal std → top 5% varying pixels → mean per frame → + quadratic detrend → Hanning → `rfft` → peak in the plausible band. +- **Never measure rate on an assembled loop.** The loop's own cycle dominates + the spectrum. A finished palindrome returned 16.7/min for footage whose + forward segments each measured 25-27. Measure one un-looped segment. +- **Scalar metrics are not a quality check.** Every failure above passed at + least one metric. Look at the pixels, at full resolution — a downscaled + contact sheet hid a two-headed animal that was obvious at 1:1. + +## Prompt asymmetry + +Positive prompts add objects to the scene; negatives remove concepts. They are +not interchangeable, and the failures are literal: + +| written in positive | produced | +|---|---| +| `whiskers twitching` | a twitching, restless animal | +| `motionless, does not move` | a frozen still image | +| `locked-off tripod shot` | an actual tripod, in frame | + +Say what *should* move in the positive. Put suppression — including equipment +nouns, and `frozen, still image, lifeless` — only in the negative. + +## The general shape + +Every attempt to generate long directly produced a worse result than +assembling short clips, and cost far more. The single most expensive render in +the exercise, at 97 minutes, was also the least usable output. Eight +independently generated 7.5-second clips, palindromed and crossfaded, gave ten +minutes with no degradation for about 90 minutes of total compute. +